unforgivable to tap the phone of a murdered school girl or phone of relatives of troops killed in iraq or afghanistan and murdoch would not have tolerated it. >> when you think about -- i'm sorry about that. when you think about what one done and the depesble things that were done, do you think he made the right call of canceling it, it's done? >> it's a difficult call because as you said it's an old, historic paper, that has a great history, but has committed abuses in the past like all tabloids do, but also exposed a lot of fraud and misdeeds, most recently exposed corruption in the pakistani cricket team which was an important story. it's very sad and it's sad for the 200 people who work there, frightful for them. many of them will be given jobs in other news of murdoch's papers in london. he probably will create a new sunday paper called "the sun on sunday" to go along with his daily paper "the sun" which is another tabloid in britain. >> mr. shawcross, some were wondering, i was reading a lot of articles on this, if rupert murdoch was at all responsible, maybe in a trickled down effect, of kind